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Kelvin Sampson & NCAA Violations

Posted on: February 10, 2008 8:26 pm
Edited on: February 10, 2008 9:15 pm
 

You want to rip Kelvin Sampson a new one for his repeated transgressions with the telephone? Fine, it's the chic thing to do, everybody who's anybody is doing it, so jump on the bandwagon. But, here's two suggestions, for your sake, before you do so:

  1. Know what you're talking about
  2. Take a good, hard look at your own program, first

First, it's important to note that the first round of phone calls made at Oklahoma were ruled by the NCAA as a Secondary Violation. There's more information that can be found, here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2457878

While 577 phone calls certainly seem excessive, 233 by Sampson himself, keep in mind that this was over a 4-year period (2000-2004). So we're really talking about ~58 extra calls per annum over the period in question. Now, I don't mean to totally diminish this, but I've had girlfriend's who make 58 extra calls in a 4-day span.

Now, with the most recent issue, Sampson was involved in 13 prohibited 3-way calls last year:

http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/genrel/103007aac.html

A second document is the self-report to the NCAA enforcement staff regarding the phone calls that violated NCAA rules. That report concluded that out of these 32 phone calls it is likely only 13 actual conversations occurred. Also among the documents are two other reports detailing the circumstances of impermissible personal contacts with recruits or their families not related to telephone calls.

Now, keep in mind that these calls are not actual NCAA rules violations, but a violation of Sampson's probation, as noted:

Although permissible under NCAA rules, three-way recruiting calls involving Sampson were in violation of the stricter, NCAA-imposed sanctions which were in effect on the IU staff last year from May, 2006 to May, 2007.

And it's also important to note that Indiana has imposed serious penalities, which Sampson has fully agreed to:

As penalties, Greenspan has imposed a second year of restrictions on recruiting calls tighter than is permitted by the NCAA, reduced Sampson's off-campus recruiting opportunities and taken away a basketball scholarship for 2008-09. The basketball staff will also have one less coach available for recruiting during the 2007-08 recruiting year. Sampson also voluntarily agreed to forego a $500,000 compensation increase this year.

That's fairly significant versus being a slap on the wrist, when's the last time you've kissed off $500 Grand? And note, the University has also submitted these violations as Secondary Violations, in good faith:

"Through extensive and lengthy discussions with our legal counsel, it was concluded that these violations are of a secondary nature because they represented isolated instances. They provided little, if any, recruiting advantage and did not involve any extra benefits," Greenspan said.

Okay, so now we all know what has reportedly happened. Keep in mind these are Secondary Violations and no one at Indiana or within their fanbase thinks this is okay. Sampson's been punished and we need 100% compliance out of him and our Program as a whole.

But let's also look at this for what it is, Secondary Violations. Has a coach ever been so lambasted by the media for Secondary Violations? Has a Coach ever been deposed for Secondary Violations? Not to my knowledge.

Secondary Violations run rampant in College Basketball, almost as common as missed Shaun Pruitt free throws, which is incredibly common. Before you throw Sampson under the bus, I recommend you look at your own program, in order to avoid playing the role of hypocrite, because no one likes a hypocrite.

Let's look at a few different cases. We'll start with Illinois. I've noticed a lot of Illinois fans referring to Sampson as Sampscum and Sanctions over this, but is your Program and Coach any cleaner? Have a look at Self's history at Illinois:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20030722/ai_n11802406

Now, in the same spirit I'm taking about with Sampson, I'm not sure how big of a deal these 20 Secondary Violations really are but the point is that they exist, and as in Sampson's case, a Secondary Violation is a Secondary Violation.

And speaking of Bill Self, what's he up to these days at Kansas? Well, a little more of the same:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncb&id=2623115

The basketball violations occurred from 2002 through 2005, spanning from Williams to current coach Bill Self, who will be starting his fourth season with Kansas next month.

I don't mean to pick on Bill Self alone, but I find it curious as to how the media and fans are giving all of these coaches free passes while they're burning Sampson's name in effigy.

Perhaps the most humerous conversation I've recently had on the subject was when an Oklahoma State fan referred to Sampson as a cheater and claimed Eddie Sutton has never been a cheater. Eddie Sutton is one of the most infamous rules violators in the history of NCAA Basketball, he was involved in a scenario where his players at Kentucky (late 80s) were being paid to play!

You can read about it here, if you like:

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/cheating.html

In the end, none of this is a-okay, but before you trash the bejesus out of Kelvin Sampson, come to terms that these are Secondary Violations and have an understanding that your Coach and Program probably has recently committed Secondary Violations as well.

After that, fine, throw Sampson under the bus. Just make sure you leave room for your Coach and Program, because I'll be placing them there shortly.

Can you hear me now?!

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Posted on: February 10, 2008 8:33 pm

Kelvin Sampson & NCAA Violations

He's a good coach just got to stop doing all that extra calls. Many thought it would hurt his recruiting, but it seems it hasn't though. If he keeps in trouble with this though Indiana could get on Probation.



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Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: February 11, 2008 8:36 pm

Kelvin Sampson & NCAA Violations

Other school's cheating histories don't matter to me as an IU fan.  I understand that your point was to shut the homers from other programs up, but I need to respond as a fellow Hoosier.

You're right, Sampson's violations are not severe.  To me, it's just the fact that IU has never had anything like this in our basketball program.  I loved the fact that we won cleanly.  We were the top clean program in the nation in my eyes.  I was very proud of that.

I was shocked when we hired a coach under investigation by the NCAA.  I decided to back him, believing that he deserved a second chance.  I also decided that if he did it again, I'd lose faith in him.  Dammit, within a year he did it again.  Dammit!  Why the hell did we bring that into our program?

I understand that he is a great coach.  Heck, you don't win two national coach of the year awards by being lucky.  He also now has eleven straight 20 win seasons.  He has more wins than any other coach in the Big XII.  I appreciate all that and love having that on the IU coach's resume.

He's my coach.  I'm going to cheer for him and I'm going to support the program.  I'm very disappointed with what's been brought to the program, even if every other school does it.  This was Indiana basketball.  We're supposed to be different.

Oh well.  Go Hoosiers.  Anything was an improvement over Mike Davis.



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Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: February 12, 2008 8:53 am